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How did this end up?
The arrest was in July 2009. The state atty refused to press charges but the victim still has an arrest record. We just got this video today. A federal case may be filed against the officer soon. More to come on this as it develops.
If you have the information of the police officer/manager/branch etc we can do a social media campaign to have people call the police station and call for justice.
what is this assholes problem?? He didn’t see a GUN, he saw a HOLSTER! Is it “illegal’ to have LEATHER on?
Florida does not require notifying a police officer that you are lawfully armed. This arrest was in July 2009
The permit to carry is a responsibility of the permit holder to IMMEDIATELY make Deputy Cox aware that he has a weapon & permit before he even stepped out of his vehicle.
Bullsh#t There is no duty to inform an officer in Florida
First off, the permit holder should have made Deputy Cox aware IMMEDIATELY that he had a weapon & permit before getting out of his vehicle. Secondly, the Deputy should have been fired for threatening to shoot him.
That is not required in Florida.
In 1998 a Florida Highway Patrol Trooper nearly shot me with my 1911 during a traffic stop. She asked if I was armed, I answered that I had a pistol, was licensed, and in the Florida Army National Guard.
She then informed me that she would disarm me for her own safety. I answered by saying something to the effect of, “You think you will be safer by taking my sidearm? OK…”
She had zero familiarity with my firearm and her initial attempt to clear the chamber failed when she tried to pull the slide back without disengaging the thumb safety. She then pointed it directly at me as I verbally instructed her on the clearing procedure for the M1911. I verbally corrected her on muzzle awareness. She apologized.
She then put her finger in the trigger guard as she dropped the thumb safety to eject the chambered round. I verbally corrected her again, she became frustrated and handed me back my 1911 with the safety off, cocked, and a round in the chamber.
I did not get a ticket but that was small consolation. We are all safer if everyone’s firearms just stay safely holstered.
And most of the non-firearms public out there believes that cops know everything about guns… NOT!!
Pro Gun… and Proud of it!
If I’m not mistaken, this incident happened prior to the FL legislature changing the law on inadvertent exposure of a concealed weapon. It was probably this incident that launched the campaign to change the law. At the time of this incident, the cop had every legal authority to do exactly what he did. Even though he saw leather, he has to assume he has a weapon encased in that holster and his concealed weapon is now no longer concealed.
The change passed in 2011 was a clarification to the statute, not an actual change to the law. There was over 20 years of case law on this at the time. The deputy was way out of line for arresting this guy.
The Officer had no right and should at least be repremanded, offer an official apology and sent to school to learn the laws. No one should have to be subjected to terroristic threats and verbal abuse that was uttered by this officer.
The cop is a foul mouthed punk. Good example of power going to your head. If there was a problem it should have been handled after wonder boy calmed down. Cooler heads would have prevailed. We pay taxes so we can be abused, instead of finding out the facts.
790.053Open carrying of weapons.—
(1)Except as otherwise provided by law and in subsection (2), it is unlawful for any person to openly carry on or about his or her person any firearm or electric weapon or device.
__It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.__
The second part was added to eliminate problems just like this
Didnt the man make the mistake of not advising the cop that he was carrying a handgun on him when the cop addressed him for his license and registration?
That’s no mistake, I don’t talk about my guns unless asked. I almost got shot by an under trained state trooper who decided to decided to disarm me for “safety” reasons.
This deputy is a JACKASS!!! I hope this citizen was released and compensated by the county for this deputies actions. This deputy needs to be relieved of his duties and given a job as a construction site security guard.
This officer needs extra training for not understanding the laws he is supposed to be enforcing and to be disiplined for his unprofessional behavior (language). as for the suspect he was wrong for not alerting the officer about the weapon as soon as possible and before stepping out of the vehicle. The officer’s handling of the situation after the weapon was spotted was not what i consider out of line, they deal with completely unknown, possibly deadly situations at all times! unless you have been in similar situations, you can not know how quickly your alertness and tension rises to a near panic level in a situation like this. he handled that portion very well in my opinion. If you assume the responsability of carrying a weapon, you had better know how to act while doing so, “what they told him” in that class is no excuse for his irresponsable actions. the florida statute is on-line and availible at any courthouse,library, or police station, you just have to be adult enough to get it and read it and understand it!!
The copy was way out of line. He was far more scarier than the guy ever was! Sorry Matt, you don’t understand the law that well. To get a permit, he was background checked and finger printed. Cops do not have the right to think they are the only person allowed to carry a gun…pretty ignorant of him. I hope some lawyer eventually gets this guy allot of money! Poor police training. He was totally disrespectful to a lawful citizen for no reason whatsoever!
Matthew,
You are incorrect, the suspect as you call him did everything legal and correctly. What they told him in his class was correct. You have NO duty to notify an officer that you have a weapon. From Florida statute 790.06 “The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer.”
Here is a the link to the Florida 790 statutes. Maybe you need to read them and undertand them.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/0790.html
Shame on you Deputy Andy Cox! You should not be in law enforcement!
I hate to have to be the one to break this to you but cops, pretty much across the board (I happen to know from personal experience), lose all objectivity in a situation when they find out that you have a Concealed weapons permit. They simply don’t like the fact that we have the right to protect ourselves and they’ll do anything in their power to use that right against us.
Not only am I a Retired Law Enforcement Officer I am also a C.W.P. Holder in this “Once Great State” of Florida. Dep. Cox would have been fired the next day at the agency I worked with for not only abusing a lawful citizen carrying a LAWFULLY Concealed Weapon but for his VERY Unprofessional performance towards a citizen and verbally threatening to shoot the man IN THE BACK no less while he was pointing his weapon towards him and the mans wife as well,She could have been shot if the officer did indeed shoot the man and the bullet happened to pass thru his body,Which at that range i am sure it would have.I now understand why a lot of my friends in law enforcement that came from central and south florida hate citrus county,along with a few more downstate.They don’t like working with trigger happy,Big headed punks like Dep. Andy Cox.If Sheriff Dawsy did not fire this deputy for his abuse,illegal arrest and foul mouthed manner towards a citizen and his wife,Well all I have to say is that he does not deserve to be a sheriff himself.This Video makes me sick and at the same time makes me understand better why so many people despise and purely hate & distrust cops.I am ashamed for this state to have something like this happen here,That was a disgustingly,disturbing video.
That’s pretty poor police work no matter how you look at it.
Get up against the car or I’ll shoot you in the “frickin’ back????
The driver exposes a small part of a leather “something” and he gets handcuffed, and put on the ground?
That’s one scared officer there and needs to be retrained or maybe even TRAINED on how to do a traffic stop.
Yes, I was an LEO at one time. This episode is a bad example for sure.
Cox is an absolute disgrace. He had absolutely no control over his emotions at the moment he discovered the man had a weapon. He became agitated, amped up, aggravated and obviously distressed when there was absolutely NO threat at all! That is the type of officer who DOES NOT make the right decisions when faced with a REAL situation!
And I do have experience to back up my comments… 3 years as a Federal officer and 2 years on the ground in Iraq. I have had an AK pointed at my head and did not crumble the way that this “man” did.
Sean,
If there is anything we can do to make this cop get in trouble, please let me know. As I commented on OCDO this was in Charlie Dean’s district. How ironic.
Seems to me the officer made a terrorist threat of shooting the man in the back. What if I threatened to shot an officer in the back? Wouldn’t I get arrested and thrown in jail for that?
Citrus co. police are very power hungry. They think they can do what ever they want. I realy hope this guy sues the hell out of citrus county. Also that cop gets fired.
WOW…. scary. Think I will stay out of Citrus County for fear of getting blown away by a trigger happy Deputy!